tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post6541347142618962512..comments2024-03-19T22:10:49.383-04:00Comments on Gifted Challenges™: What causes gifted underachievement?Gail Post, Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-40219323125716811742017-03-20T11:35:02.649-04:002017-03-20T11:35:02.649-04:00Anonymous, I am in complete agreement with you. as...Anonymous, I am in complete agreement with you. as I mentioned in the section above on school-based factors: "School policies that discourage enrichment, acceleration, ability grouping..." Many districts are uncomfortable labeling high ability classes as gifted classes. However, gifted children are often miserable and their learning screeches to a halt in mixed ability classes. See my recent post about this: http://giftedchallenges.blogspot.com/2017/03/ability-grouping-works-and-is-essential.html. Thanks for your comments.Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-81379419056934864242017-03-20T11:24:54.064-04:002017-03-20T11:24:54.064-04:00I think you may of missed the most important eleme...I think you may of missed the most important element IMO - that is the effect of lack of high-achieving/Gifted classes. I can say that my child was highly motivated in a high achieving/Gifted classes doing two grades a year (twice once in these classes)... until he hit middle school and we moved districts. No more high achieving/Gifted classes and he was completely, utterly bored. His spirit shriveled and he became the classic underachiever. Get these kids into the right environment and we would do wonders for them and our society. Unfortunately, our educational system in most places doesn't recognize the needs of these students that are 1, 2, 3 and 4 standard deviations away from normal.... though in contrast they do for disabilities for the same standard deviations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-54473932477472856282016-11-15T10:04:13.504-05:002016-11-15T10:04:13.504-05:00I'm also looking for the 3rd post.I'm also looking for the 3rd post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11728653151712589664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-46427144787064270762016-09-26T13:44:53.721-04:002016-09-26T13:44:53.721-04:00Hello, is there a 3rd post on interventions? I lo...Hello, is there a 3rd post on interventions? I looked through the archives but didn't see anything. I would be very interested in that blog post. Thank you!Audra Rowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02910035595665265985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-89289082054321160002016-08-23T19:37:08.155-04:002016-08-23T19:37:08.155-04:00The internet is a huge distraction. Perhaps you ca...The internet is a huge distraction. Perhaps you can speak with their teachers more about it. If it continues to be a problem, the kids will see how they are struggling in school and may realize they need help also. Good luck.Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-34469869658478714992016-08-22T01:37:04.120-04:002016-08-22T01:37:04.120-04:00My daughters are (13,14) really struggling at the ...My daughters are (13,14) really struggling at the moment and it's all due to "just not working". One is in a totally gifted school and the other in a gifted stream at a different school. One never had to work and has hit the wall as far as that goes. Hopefully she will figure it out before it becomes critical. The other was organised, and diligent, and now, suddenly on year 9 *pow*. <br />The immediately obvious reason is the fact that they now need laptops for school and internet access at home for homework. They spend HOURS of time on the net and then complain that they haven't time to do homework or revision or assignments. If we try to intervene we get torrents of verbal (and sometimes even physical) abuse, and we would have to literally sit next to them for hours to make sure they don't just flip over to other sites, and who can afford 3 hours (times 2) to do that?<br />Frustratingly the school doesn't seem to understand the hurdle they are putting in front of these kids by assigning them internet based homework when they are an age when they just control their impulses. <br />I can't say that any of 1-5 (maybe a bit of 2,4) can explain it all.Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679536359525059777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-6365704564135358542016-02-24T12:34:06.792-05:002016-02-24T12:34:06.792-05:00Krista, I know it certainly can be frustrating whe...Krista, I know it certainly can be frustrating when your child suddenly stops working. You mentioned that she has ADD and is depressed. It is possible that she is not being overtly defiant, but is struggling with the impact of these problems, combined with the increased demands of more challenging school work. I hope you are able to get her some help, especially with her depression. Good luck.Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-42280091423010080282016-02-24T11:53:59.344-05:002016-02-24T11:53:59.344-05:00My daughter is a #2 and #5. She has been in all P...My daughter is a #2 and #5. She has been in all Pre AP classes(now AP) classes her whole life. Suddenly in 10th grade (she is a slow to mature) She has simply stopped doing her homework. She has decided she is not "smart enough" for these classes. The truth is she is just not doing the work. I have had her tested for depression and ADD and she was positive for both. She is not an aggressive kid but I no longer can look at this in any other way but defiant. <br />KristaKrista Bynonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-74923407338019050612016-02-22T14:43:58.659-05:002016-02-22T14:43:58.659-05:00Smiley, Thanks for your comments and good luck wit...Smiley, Thanks for your comments and good luck with your son.<br />Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-57572591761833193522016-02-20T21:17:25.752-05:002016-02-20T21:17:25.752-05:00I grew up in a factory town with a factory school ...I grew up in a factory town with a factory school system geared to producing factory workers. As Yoda would say, "There is no try, there is only shut up and keep your head down."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-24494581231080494762016-02-20T20:46:34.659-05:002016-02-20T20:46:34.659-05:00Thank you for this post and comments that all is n...Thank you for this post and comments that all is not lost, or that my non producing son hasn't "lost" his giftedness, it's still there we just need to work to get it back. I agree that he has pushed it under the surface so he can fit it. I mean socially, he likes seeing his friends, all two he will actively call his friends, but it's not a huge fight to get him there. Now to up the actual work his does produce. Thanks again!smileyfish76https://www.blogger.com/profile/07818668580803451731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-39360784562306092912016-02-17T23:26:55.883-05:002016-02-17T23:26:55.883-05:00Paula, Thank you for your kind words. I'll loo...Paula, Thank you for your kind words. I'll look forward to your article coming soon!Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-38274375570121948682016-02-17T21:21:23.884-05:002016-02-17T21:21:23.884-05:00I can always count on you to write a thorough well...I can always count on you to write a thorough well-organized post, Gail. You're such an inspiration. I think I'll write more on this topic, soon, and link to your blog so readers can get a detailed look at this very important topic.Paula Proberhttp://rainforestmind.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-84523211159500036242016-02-17T12:44:57.521-05:002016-02-17T12:44:57.521-05:00"It's there, below the surface just waiti..."It's there, below the surface just waiting to reappear. You can get it back." Your comment is lovely and offers hope to so many who have ignored, denied or never known their own giftedness. So glad you and your children are discovering/rediscovering your strengths. Thanks for your comments.Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-28172389109653802502016-02-17T10:33:38.211-05:002016-02-17T10:33:38.211-05:00Unfortunately, #4 fit me to a t as a child and wit...Unfortunately, #4 fit me to a t as a child and without gifted services in a parochial school, by third grade my divergent answers were beginning to become a nuisance. I did the minimum amount of work throughout my career until I went back for my M.Ed. I was only then, I realized that I was capable of more. <br /><br />My own children though testing years ahead were never identified (parochial school again) and only recently have I realized they followed the same pattern as I did. The good news is now that I know, I am beginning to make up for lost time for myself and my children. The even better news is that the giftedness does not disappear. It's there, below the surface just waiting to reappear. You can get it back. Thanks so much for speaking out on such an important topic for the lost souls of giftedness-the underachievers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-51419928664083281772016-02-16T19:30:56.701-05:002016-02-16T19:30:56.701-05:00Nancy, Thanks for your comments. It sounds like yo...Nancy, Thanks for your comments. It sounds like your daughter hit a common roadblock and made a decision that fitting in was more important than school work - and it may not have seemed like she could fulfill both options. Hopefully, she can move forward at this point and feel comfortable with whatever direction she takes. Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-40978699949983602502016-02-16T18:38:44.804-05:002016-02-16T18:38:44.804-05:00This fits so much with my daughter. She stopped ca...This fits so much with my daughter. She stopped caring in middle school and got caught up in dating and being popular. Being smart was not popular, so she tried to hide it, and then started to do poorly in her classes. We could not get her to study any more. Now that she is older, she regrets it. I wish we could have motivated her, or the school could have helped her. Nancynoreply@blogger.com