tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post3699717545464011080..comments2024-03-16T04:07:17.971-04:00Comments on Gifted Challenges™: Gifted and arrogant: What does "Sherlock" reveal about giftedness? Gail Post, Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-3824553833369090472018-09-07T00:39:36.770-04:002018-09-07T00:39:36.770-04:00The anonymous comment about cognitive dissonance a...The anonymous comment about cognitive dissonance and the need for self defence couldn't be more accurate for own experiences of the world. Stemming from... yep, loneliness. Loneliness in our perceptions, sensory experiences, humour. And we are intelligent enough to know from very early on that the majority work in a pack mentality. Eat or be eaten. Of course, gender, class and co-morbid disabilities play into how this manifests in every gifted individual. The trajectory from hero to villain is often swift and precise for those who have greater disadvantages or no outlet for their intellectual drive. HURT underpins so many dysfunctional social hierarchies. The 'average Joe' feels hurt by being perceived as inadequate compared to the gifted. The gifted feels hurt at being punished for being born as they are. I've learned not to take rejection or ridicule personally these days. And I have been lucky enough to find support for facing my weaknesses so that I hopefully don't become as cynical and disdainful and Mr Sherlock Holmes. I think most gifted people can relate to this: we will be expected to use our abilities to serve or even save humanity in some way and we will be ridiculed and rejected in the process. And we are aware of this at every point along the arduous gifted journey. Not only must we show up to do the job and be hated, but we have to find the strength to do it with integrity. To help the people who would never help us. Some of whom would even sabotage or hurt us. Most people are good...in their own way. But society has always stayed true to the algorithm that looks to eliminate the 'virus'. The anomaly is a threat to social cohesion and cooperation. It's nothing personal. But it hurts. Because we are humans constantly being dehumanised. Arrogance is an entirely deficient description for what is really going on most of the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-21098598429795098852016-08-13T05:17:42.774-04:002016-08-13T05:17:42.774-04:00Great article, and also a topic I am ever more con...Great article, and also a topic I am ever more concerned by these days. I wanted to comment on this idea, that gifted people need to understand that others don't see the world the same way as they do, which almost sounds like gifted people are half autistic most of the times. Yet giftedness comes not only with some extra IQ points, but also strong moral values and deep empathy and understanding for people, because you can imagine things very well and thus, one does actually understand where the others come from. <br /><br />The impatience and frustration comes, in my opinion, from the fact that one does in fact clearly understand where other people come from, but also acknowledges a wide number of alternatives, and thus it is rather painful to see people struggling in their own worlds, not seeing all the other perspectives a gifted person would. <br /><br />For me personally, a strong principle in my life is to always listen to everything one has to say, until I get the whole picture, the world they come from and try by best to find a solution for them within that context, as I have learned that most people get stuck in certain patterns and so, it would be futile to bring about creative alternative solutions. <br /><br />I always come from a place of compassion, so for me, the worst thing could anyone tell me is that I'm being arrogant, or selfish. However, especially here in Germany, this has been an ongoing struggle, since the cultural differences block people from seeing where I come from, often resulting in being accused of arrogance. <br /><br />I don't know if people understand how painful that is, especially given all the other insecurities one may have, and usually does have, e.g. you do see your shortcomings with vivid eyes which of itself is already frustrating enough. Thus being called arrogant makes no sense, and for me personally illogical accusations usually lead to existential depressions, that is, a lot of time to accept that most people are likely to randomely throw words, they have not thought through, because they feel intrinsically attacked. The fact that they would feel this is is a painful thought of its own, and here begins the endless cycle of painful thoughts. . More than anyone, gifted people need acknowledgment and people how are there for them and are supportive without entering some nonexisting competition. .bogdan Zografihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08031763383676163803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-15260392202618087192016-04-25T20:09:40.269-04:002016-04-25T20:09:40.269-04:00ps I love the Sherlock and find the character to b...ps I love the Sherlock and find the character to be neither "arrogant" nor as he calls himself a "high functioning sociopath".....there's the 1st hint. An individual cannot be a "socio"path, that technically means of a group, and last I checked, Sherlock is not a group, but an individual, soooo....wrong-o!!!! Psychopath would be accurate desript of an individual......but...<br />so....Sherlock was a Mycroft "product", if the writers ever decide to "wrap" this script, Sherlock was an experiment of the MI....something along those lines....and actually Sherlock isn't even a psychopath (hint in the type of crimes he investigates, most esp Magnussen "like a shark") (Magnussen a psycho)....it's Mycroft who's the psychopath whp sold out his one brother to experimentation, and the other brother? well, remember what happened to him........?????......<br />yeah, Sherlock is free to fall in love, because he actually can, unlike his psycho brother who'd programmed him to believe otherwise.<br /><br />mkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-55912741329399396182016-04-25T19:50:26.044-04:002016-04-25T19:50:26.044-04:00Loneliness is huge. It is so difficult, if one has...Loneliness is huge. It is so difficult, if one has a vast array of procured knowledge (a broad and vast knowledge , KNOWLEDGE, distinguishable from "giftedness", is nonetheless a by-product of 'giftedness" if "giftedness" includes an almost obsessive need to satisfy an unquenchable CURIOSITY).The "giftedness" comes in, I think, when one can synthesize the knowledge and make connections across an array of subjects. I think there is a diff between IQ and "giftedness" and it doesn't always overlap, coincide....A human library may be smart (aka book-smart), even "arrogant", has an abundance of "knowledge". "Giftedness" is diff, I think...maybe less 'book-smarts" per se, but has a unique ability to SYNTHESIZE, to find/make connections. ...I suppose, depending on context, this could also be perceived as arrogance, or maybe just crazy......Was this post arrogant as well? Well poopy butt bubbles, I never know and I feel I always get things wrong. I've been called a "know it all" all my life, esp beginning w/my parents, my Dad even called me "Lawyer....(my name)..."<br />These things are devastating. Yet I was placed in "Gifted and Talented" classes in 4th grade, and my school had wanted me to skip 2nd grade, 1st to 3rd......so it's true, or no? and how do I express that reality?<br />But such name calling, "smart alec", "lawyer----", "smart-ass", "know it all" when all a kid is doing is actually just ACTUALLIZING what he/she does know??? And actualizing what they've been ENCOURAGED to be? Smart, educated, successful, outstanding---yet face devastating criticism for ACHIEVING exactly that????<br />This creates a dissonance, a deep deep psychic dissonance which can become a life-long debilitating state of mind and relationship with one's "SELF".......<br />One's "self", identity, is in a catch 22, "cognitive dissonance", and a 'gifted" can totally get this and FEELS his/her's unwantedness. Perhaps in some as self-defence it manifests as 'arrogance", in others? Not interested in self-defence? Worst case, suicide. This is not a joke.<br />This a cruel society. This is a cruel world where ANYONE who steps beyond the velvet rope of normalcy is likely to find themselves under attack, any variety of persons, not just the "gifted". <br />It's nothing personal, just business. <br />This is the greatest concept anyone can learn, in this world, it's really never really personal, we are deeply and almost all defend, that it's "just business". "Giftedness" is no greater or lesser a target of ridicule or ultimately removal that any other abherant who steps out of the "company line".<br />peace friends, mk<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-73284914511163159522015-10-08T18:59:34.528-04:002015-10-08T18:59:34.528-04:00"Sometimes loneliness can be misconstrued as ..."Sometimes loneliness can be misconstrued as arrogance. When you live a life in which people constantly fail to understand your jokes or comments, it can be truly alienating. People are less understanding of high intelligence than they are of other advanced skills, such as athletic ability for which arrogance, or perceived arrogance is also highly problematic, but is often considered more socially acceptable. "<br />The story of my life. <br />So i isolate myself and people feel like this is the ultimate proof of my arrogance. It's even funny in a sense.Mollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11589413109226618603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-78535621956948083512015-01-03T21:41:47.721-05:002015-01-03T21:41:47.721-05:00You have to put down people who aren't gifted ...You have to put down people who aren't gifted nor unique because they conform to expectations too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-66855981026059097352015-01-03T21:40:27.299-05:002015-01-03T21:40:27.299-05:00Don't let gifted kids be with peers who are sm...Don't let gifted kids be with peers who are smarter than they are. The more they will want to be better than everyone. There will be arguments and bullying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-66339855070183138282014-04-07T15:42:13.220-04:002014-04-07T15:42:13.220-04:00As I read your comment, a "positive" gif...As I read your comment, a "positive" gifted TV character came to mind... Spencer Reid from Criminal Minds ?MoeMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16265374303877843756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-20036522928143617492014-01-14T20:15:50.263-05:002014-01-14T20:15:50.263-05:00Jeanne,
Your point about Aspergers is well taken....Jeanne,<br /><br />Your point about Aspergers is well taken. I really appreciate your thoughtful comments and clear description of the thinking and behaviors these individuals exhibit, and misunderstanding they encounter in society.<br /><br />GailGail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-56371892717611177662014-01-14T20:10:56.409-05:002014-01-14T20:10:56.409-05:00Interesting thoughts about social class and how th...Interesting thoughts about social class and how that influences behavior.<br /><br />GailGail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-91981698169756139942014-01-13T21:58:58.851-05:002014-01-13T21:58:58.851-05:00I'm surprised no one has mentioned Asperger...I'm surprised no one has mentioned Asperger's Syndrome. I know, it was removed and renamed as part of the autism spectrum, blah blah. However, These characters are displaying many of those signs and unfortunately this syndrome is very misunderstood. There is an actual disability going on, (context blindness, SPD, executive function deficits, and so forth). They are accused by family and professionals alike, of not having empathy, but in most cases I know of, that is patently false, and it's really more of a perception/communication issue, and or emotional buffering that is needed to survive sensory overload. Look at it from the perspective of having to communicate with others and function within systems that are not sensory friendly to them. People used to leave wheelchair bound people out of public social spaces and events. We now see that as abhorrent and insist legally that they be accommodated so as to include them as equally valuable members of society and there are consequences for discrimination against them. People with invisible disability or neruo-differences like ASD are a long way from receiving that kind of empathy from our society. So really it's society that lacks empathy! Neurotypical people perceive their behavior as different and then judge it harshly, because it's not what they expect. They are used to being catered to by the other neurotypicals who have that drive to fit in and conform to expectations. Not being burdened with that drive to conform does not alway have to be a bad thing, as is evidenced by some well known artists, scientists, philosophers, scientists, from history. JMedinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03018714449097173008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-12380058461166411842014-01-13T21:24:52.917-05:002014-01-13T21:24:52.917-05:00Interesting post. Considering that Sherlock has, h...Interesting post. Considering that Sherlock has, historically, been depicted as affluent, there's the issue of class, too. Other than identifying his brother as a higher-up in the British intelligence service, we know little about the "new" Sherlock's family. He was able to make it into Buckingham Palace with a sheet, and I don't imagine that the average British citizen can pull that off. Seems clear to me that he has an abundance of privilege which can cause an inflated sense of self, too. His bearing and clothing suggest affluence--the famous elegant suit, the trench coat didn't come off any old rack. So in the case of this Cumberbatch's Sherlock, I think we have to be careful about looking at him solely through the lens of giftedness.Pamelahttp://redwhiteandgrew.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-35054322593897731782014-01-13T13:21:33.971-05:002014-01-13T13:21:33.971-05:00Joshua,
Such good comments about how the environme...Joshua,<br />Such good comments about how the environment and values gifted kids are immersed in can breed an overly inflated sense of self. Gifted children need an opportunity to experience a challenging education, like-minded peers, and plenty of failure so they can develop resilience. They also need to learn the value of what others can offer, especially those who are not gifted. Thanks for your comments.Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-34805453868948827422014-01-13T10:05:11.509-05:002014-01-13T10:05:11.509-05:00Why should we be surprised when gifted people are ...Why should we be surprised when gifted people are arrogant? We send them through years of schooling where they are the top student and often have to do very little to earn that honor. In the academic world that their lives center on, they ARE better than almost anyone and sometimes even know the material better than the teacher. People are constantly telling them how brilliant they are and the envy is obvious.<br /><br />The same thing happens to star athletes, wealthy people, and celebrities. Inflated egos often accompany success.<br /><br />What should we do? <br /><br />1) Put gifted kids with intellectual peers. Let them be with people who are sometimes smarter than them. Let them study material hard enough that it is not intuitive and they are sometimes wrong. Make classes tough enough that they have to work hard to get top grades.<br /><br />2) Value all human life. We live in a utilitarian society where the value of one's life is dependent on what they can offer. We may claim there is equality, but we don't act like there really is. We look down on the homeless person and look up to the business leaders. We abort children with physical or mental defects. We fawn over the birth of a child of a nation's leader, but ignore poor kids who are starving. A death in the ghetto goes unreported, but the death of a celebrity is front page news. Until human life is valued for its humanity instead of what that person can do, gifted people ARE superior. This is wrong.<br /><br />3) Point out to our gifted kids the strengths that others have. Point out Sara's compassion and caring. Point out how George is a phenomenal athlete and encourages his teammates. Point out that Susan, who has Down Syndrome, lights up a room when she comes in. Intellectual giftedness is not the only trait worth having. We should look for the strengths in others instead of seeing how we are better than them.<br /><br />There is the old saw about being born on third base and believing you hit a triple. This happens with gifted kids too. Intellectual giftedness is a random trait and not something accomplished to take pride in. You could just have easily been born with a very low IQ - and would be no less of a person.Joshua Raymondhttp://rochestersage.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-40906371423563379412014-01-13T08:31:42.803-05:002014-01-13T08:31:42.803-05:00These are both really good points. Both shyness an...These are both really good points. Both shyness and intense interest in other things can be perceived as aloofness and arrogance. A challenge for gifted individuals is figuring out how to live in a world where others don't see things as they do. Social norms are difficult to navigate, may seem pointless, and often may not be as rewarding as the captivating interest at hand. Yet, it is hurtful to be misperceived as arrogant when that is not one's intention.<br /><br />GailGail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-12918088557169185482014-01-13T06:32:49.195-05:002014-01-13T06:32:49.195-05:00I believe that as a society we must also remember ...I believe that as a society we must also remember that gifted people often do not see the word as the rest of us see it, and therefore can have a difficult time relating to others. Gifted people can often have obsessions in their studies and work and may be so focused in their minds on their thoughts that they cannot break out of them to have a conversation on the state of the weather or some other topic that they perceive as mundane, and other people may misinterpret this lack of interrelating as aloofness or arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-40696515034934496582014-01-12T22:29:42.659-05:002014-01-12T22:29:42.659-05:00I used to be perceived as arrogant or stuck up in ...I used to be perceived as arrogant or stuck up in High school but in reality I was extremely shy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-84496391850092554132014-01-12T20:16:21.572-05:002014-01-12T20:16:21.572-05:00It becomes so complicated when gifted individuals ...It becomes so complicated when gifted individuals express frustration with themselves and their comments are misinterpreted by others who fail to appreciate their drive and personal ambition. Much of what you mentioned in your comment relates to having to educate others about the reality of being gifted, and continuing to challenge misconceptions. <br />Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-26408174345558116692014-01-12T20:13:59.036-05:002014-01-12T20:13:59.036-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-54338624936202018492014-01-12T20:08:16.306-05:002014-01-12T20:08:16.306-05:00Really agree with your comment that there are few ...Really agree with your comment that there are few "normal" gifted individuals in entertainment. Those who are gifted are often portrayed as odd, quirky, tortured, socially awkward, or mad scientist types. Little room for normalcy in how they are viewed.<br /><br />GailGail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-18231252355108682972014-01-12T19:14:38.354-05:002014-01-12T19:14:38.354-05:00Good point about the individuality of gifted indiv...Good point about the individuality of gifted individuals. Of course, they are TV characters! But they do, unfortunately, reflect certain stereotypes.<br />GailGail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-18552898401432171502014-01-12T19:10:37.333-05:002014-01-12T19:10:37.333-05:00M. Smith,
I certainly agree that hard work is nec...M. Smith,<br /><br />I certainly agree that hard work is necessary for any achievement to occur. I still would view giftedness as innate ability, but what someone does with it rests on their drive, goals, and their environment. But thanks for your thoughts.<br /><br />GailGail Post, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482577821092891593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-41874110098740809062014-01-12T18:30:39.131-05:002014-01-12T18:30:39.131-05:00It is true though- I have myself encountered the s...It is true though- I have myself encountered the sort of mistaken nature of acknowledging giftedness as arrogance. I have high standards for myself as a musician, and when I communicate the sort of frustrations I encounter when wanting to get better and not succeeding at first in something challenging, I feel some people somehow perceive that as arrogance even though it's more to do with ambition and acknowledging the goal as being realistic. Certain aspects of musical giftedness can also be a burden- one notices the sounds around oneself much more and may find some of them much more annoying and noticeable than most people. When I mention problems related to this increased sensitivity in sound some people may perceive it as bragging. <br />Another huge problem I find is people thinking of giftedness as making everything easy and not having to do work. Surely it makes some things easier, but whether or not someone is gifted, they need to be motivated to do lots of work to really excel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-36934731085487547652014-01-12T17:21:46.523-05:002014-01-12T17:21:46.523-05:00Much as I love BBC and TBBT as a fan, as a gifted ...Much as I love BBC and TBBT as a fan, as a gifted person, I watch them with a sense of unease. Almost all of my classes as a teenager with high achieving students and there were a fair number of gifted students in our midst. I certainly met my fair share of Sheldons and Sherlocks -- arrogant SOBs who thought the world beneath them and let us all know it. Friends? No they didn't have many. <br /><br />Yet I think it's dangerous for those without much experience with the gifted to base their assumptions of gifted behavior on Sherlock and/or Sheldon. We rarely see positive examples of gifted individuals in mainstream entertainment. But they are there. I also met a fair share of Leonards and John Watsons -- gifted intellectually who may be awkward but also knew how to have (and keep!) friends. Michellehttp://www.mommymisadventures.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6702344196398061245.post-86169760840373216822014-01-12T16:21:28.715-05:002014-01-12T16:21:28.715-05:00"Gifted individuals" strikes me as being..."Gifted individuals" strikes me as being the key. Sherlock and Sheldon are not representative of all gifted people -- they are gifted individuals. We talk about giftedness as taking many different forms, as being possible among many different conditions. Sherlock is Sherlock. Does he demonstrate characteristics of giftedness? Certainly. However, he does not exhibit all possible characteristics of giftedness in their entirety, nor should his particular foibles be interpreted as indicative of all gifted individuals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com